welcome to Smitty Bros podcast we are actually calling sauce cast cuz this is
a saucy story um we are in part
four part three of our story yeah really I think we're in part three of our story
no I think we're in part four of our story part four in our first part we
talked about our um the days of biton and
um being the [ __ ] and sauce guys and
everything up to a massive family meltdown in the company and then
we took about 45 minutes to talk about in part two
about um how we responded to that got it yeah uh we just
finished part three where we detailed out uh what we did
after the Meltdown as far as a new company and starting a new brand yep um
that uh gained Great Heights had lots of
momentum and also crashed mhm uh this
next part uh we're going to talk about well in this part of the story we have
started a uh well we've new new line of products a new line of products in an existing
company called good loving Foods yep and we have spread out in survival mode we
have moved in with our in-laws or our parents um and basically starting from
nothing again yep uh the third time
starting from nothing yep um this in this part part of the story there are
just some really great uh exposures of what
has been in people's hearts for a long time yeah um you know time is a
great uh what is it it's a revealer it revealer or cultivator yeah if you give
you know if you plant a seed and you water it and you give it
time it eventually fruits and not all seeds are the seeds
that you want so in this uh segment of the story um there's some fruit that is just
really interesting to see pop out y um in this segment there's uh we kind of
depart from competition from with our sister mhm uh we're not directing uh
directly competing with her because we set off with a a bar brand a um protein
bar or a meal replacement bar brand Y and uh you know we we go dark on the
whole uh really telling our story or um
even talking about our sister or with our sister there's a couple instances in this time frame where I think you
reached out to her and invited her to church y um you know she's uh her family
is Growing With Children and um you know that some of them you know I've never
met yeah and uh so there's a a couple of years here
where you know we're not even we're we're not even paying attention to what's going on over there yep
um but this is a good part so what happened we started a this is in
like we started the bar company it's probably 2018 when we launched our bar company
somewhere around there MH and um it was my mom and I here in San
Diego um my wife and I were living with my parents at the time and we decided
you know we need to do our own Manufacturing and we're going to launch this thing we had we were sitting on
some bar equipment some bar packaging so we kind of had the guts to a bar business and uh you know kind of getting
gut punched again in the sauce world we were like we're done with it we're just
going to focus on bars and you know move on
so uh we did find a place we opened up a manufacturing facility and we started Ed
manufacturing bars and um you know kind of going through
the same steps that we went through with our dips to gain
distribution start supplying to stores and I believe that went pretty quick in
gaining distribution and then um going after stores we started getting local
stores um I remember it you know it being it was n it wasn't like it was
when we started the bars with [ __ ] and sauce with [ __ ] and sauce we um I think
we were the second refrigerated bar ever on the Shelf I think first the first bar was perfect bar and then um we had a
different style bar dates nuts and seeds that was on the Shelf with [ __ ] and sauce and it was doing really well um
just in its you know being first to Market uh play there but by this time
you know the bar world had exploded and you know there
are there's five or six different brands refrigerated bars on the Shelf so it was
it was different but we did get into some stores I don't remember it being
like incredible uh at any point in time um
you know I remember trying to figure out like what the heck are we what the heck
are we going to do we are our bars aren't selling like we need them to like
we want them to uh we there was big holes missing there were holes and it
and you if you compared any of our other product brands that were sauces either [ __ ] and sauce or the Good Love & Dip
that we put out you know things were clicking things were fast um in the bar world that was missing
something in the bar world yeah some something was missing um from it and you know I'm I
would say our marketing strategy was off
there was something about that I would say it's even deeper than that it is probably deeper than I don't e bars I'm
not I don't connect with the bar world it's yeah that was a that was a major
struggle was you and I trying to like actually connect with the brand yeah and
like you know talk about the product in an authentic way where we're like you know we don't even eat the product I'm
just making bars and I have this brand but I'm you know I I do remember that
being a struggle and it it just it honestly it wasn't fun no it was notun
at all I have some ideas that are coming back to me I remember I remember with the bars you
know we're trying to figure out ways to market the bars we did have bars at farmers markets at one point and we did
a tiny little stint at the farmers markets with them when we relaunched them but it just wasn't uh it wasn't
sustainable it it uh bars alone bars alone wasn't sustainable it was very
small and so thinking of what we can do so I'm like oh maybe I'll go to some
events and so we started going to marathons yeah this will save our company yeah this will save it we'll go
to marathons and sell bars at marathons and I remember actually doing decent at
a few of those but there were you know other ones were just like you know just
whiffs big whiffs and you know it we just couldn't it we weren't figuring it
out yeah we weren't figuring it out and so we're like you know now we're kind of
we've didn't you want to quit around this point the quitting part yeah so this is the part this is the part where
I'm like going what the heck am I doing
yeah what am I doing like this isn't gaining traction we are I mean it is barely lips
above water we're out of money like how
it was just it was rough and I do remember having a conversation with my wife and going you know what we're done
it was it was more exciting I'll put it this way the idea of having a blank
canvas in front of me yeah was more exciting than what we were doing with
the bars yeah that idea was like you know I was like I can trust God to he'll
come through here and at that point my wife and I decided you know we're done
and um that was that was one night and then the next
morning I had a Divine encounter where God was like you are not done yeah and I
remember changing and going like what the heck I thought I
thought yeah I thought I was done yeah you know like how can I keep going yeah
and God was like you're not done so we continued yeah at this this point my
wife was like we're moving out of our parents house and she kind of led the
way with that with her believing to go we're moving out and we had we had nothing MH we literally had nothing MH
uh you know no money no couldn't pay rent but we're moving out and so I'm going in my mind I'm going okay God like
we're moving out uh I don't know what's going to happen but
even you know even if we're on the street you know and homeless like I know
you're going to take care of us regardless I do remember getting to that point and you know the the following
week you know some of our close friends now they were more of an of our my
wife's acquaintance but they're like some of our best friends now they had a
uh sideous Cita thing that they like you need to come live here yeah and so we
went and lived there for a year for free for free yeah it was the biggest it was the largest gift I think I've ever
received um yeah we went and lived there for free and uh that was an amazing time
yeah that was amazing yeah and where I was at I was still in boisey so I was
detached um from the operations down here to move back into Southern California in my mind
was uh well it's just not something I wanted to do I was uh I was liking the
North Pacific Northwest I was uh maybe a little bit like I don't want I don't
want to go back to the past you know I just want to
Surge forward uh you know make my make my new way of
things that I want and uh and leave it all behind you know and
so in my mind I'm I'm I'm I have a dream
and I'm putting things in place for my dream and yeah the company the company will work and the company will support
it but you know it was actually I was not as focused
in the building of the company it was more of the same type of thing that you're
like you know a blank canvas is better than this so I mean if the company's
going to hang around and and you know support me doing this stuff great but you know at this point we in my family
my wife started driving Uber and then I started driving Uber and uh I think we
got a tax return that we ended up being able to live off of
kind of for a couple months and but it was like it was the
low of lows and I was living in you know the basement of your in-laws yeah the basement of my in-laws um thank you
in-laws you are so gracious to be but it's not
sustainable you can't stay there yeah so um so I remember
uh I was just hadd to make a decision to move out also and so I went to Bend
Oregon which from boisey is like 5 hours perfect buffer for [Music]
in-laws and got set up in a really nice uh situation over there that we could
afford and was somewhat in the direction of the dream instead of shrinking back
and you know into our shelves it was more like we're God's going to take care
of us Y and we decide the direction that we're going and you know world try and
keep up yeah business try and keep up yeah so yeah so then I moved back to
bend yep with my two kids and wife yep I think shortly after this time I remember
calling uh I remember calling our Budd Doug in Sandpoint we love you Doug we
love you Doug anyways Doug's you know he's a successful business guy and I was just
calling to you know just get advice and talk to somebody who's successful and
yeah and uh you know he was like you
know I'm like how like how do we move forward how do we
succeed and he he he had very simple thing to say he
did it was it was it was very
simple he said don't quit that was it that was all his advice
was yeah that's crazy and but what yeah
it was awesome it was awesome it was the it was the advice we needed yeah it was
like he's like you want to succeed just don't quit yeah you know and i' and I felt like man I I'll tell you what I'm
succeeding at is like hitting my head against a wall yeah I'm really good at that yeah you know yeah building
something and watching it crumble building something and watching it Grumble
yeah yeah well we didn't quit no we didn't we came close we continued and we
pivoted even yeah and then and then we pivoted we pivoted There Was You know I
had some Distributors talking to me like hey these keto keto bars are really taking off right now and I even know
from you know past wisdom like H don't chase a fad and don't chase a don't
pigeonhole yourself into something like that but we against that thought decided
you know what we'll make some keto bars and we're not keto we just have manufacturing equipment and we're
experts at building products and launching products and this is crazy we
built and launched those keto bars in I think it was
like 3 days mhm from like
ingredients like formulation packaging design
nutritionals everything was set and we had things ordered within like 3 days
and um we ended up launching those at like some distributor show thing and you know
started in this keto bar world started doing some basic online
sales um uhit larger keto influencer had
picked them up we even we even got some big accounts we got Aldi we got
uh uh local whole Whole Foods we the keto bars started getting some
legs and um especially when the influencer picked them up we started
getting a lot of online sales and we were like oh what's this yeah and um we had set them up so that people could buy
them online yeah uh they were still a refrigerated bar they were a high fat
content bar that would melt kind of like a chocolate bar yeah um so we had to keep them
refrigerated uh and but we knew that the direct a customer was very important
yeah um and very uh safe you know if you take out um you know the store's ability
to say no to your product and basically not give you the opportunity you know
you still can sell direct to to somebody through a website so we had built this
e-commerce website yep um you know with going through that
those types of failure before with [ __ ] and sauce and with good love and dip where um you know
stores stores had lots of control I remember in the in the beginning of
[ __ ] and sauce like the farmers market scene the director customer was like the seed that was our SE of our company and
we could even if you know a store dropped you or it was taking too long to bring you in or whatever you could
still uh fall back on that seed money that was direct to customer so there was
I remember conversations where it was like we have to establish our direct to customer y um business yeah and it was
from a website and we were shipping bars uh refrigerated yep yeah and um you know
we had hired some agencies we had we were trying everything we're like we need some experts to come and Market
these things and do online ads and all this stuff and nothing worked nothing
worked um to be sustainable yeah uh we
did end up Landing uh Costco so we landed some
Costco was it Costco Road shows yeah it was Costco Road shows it was some Costco Road shows locally but before that
before that we we got Sprouts oh yeah we got Sprouts yeah we finally got a
Sprouts deal so we launched we got Sprouts Nationwide mhm and um we
launched Sprouts Nationwide this is 2019 um launch Sprouts
Nationwide I it could have been even from that show that we went to that first show or whatever but
um so that was awesome MH and then um on top of that we ended up
getting Costco Road shows around the same time and we started doing local Costco Road shows and we were we were
kicking butt at the road shows our numbers were um you know they were large
they were very big they were very good and um they were enough
for uh Costco to bring us in MH um with
our with a slotted product in Costco yeah so that launched and we we're back
up to you know I think we were a million in revenue or whatever like reach that
point of we're at a million in revenue and we are like we've got this we've got this it's
got It's getting traction major influencers in the space working yeah I mean everything started clicking it
praises the distribution is set up to where um you know people can go get it
in the in in many states across the country yeah I think we I think it was like Whole Food Southern
California Nationwide sprouts and Costco they all hit right around the same time
yeah and we saw life yeah there was life there was
life in there was life in not giving up yeah there is still
something missing and we we were trying to get we were trying to pinpoint this
yes and uh I think we even started a podcast back before um around this time or we
attempted to do a podcast and it was you know we were we wanted more connection
with the brand our our own brand to be able to connect better with the people
that we're serving yeah and not being keto and but being able to make the
greatest keto bar because we're we're uh flavor people we're yeah chefs so we
know we can make the best keto bar but we're not keto and we're kind of relying on these influencers to to talk to our
customers and there was separation yeah that didn't sit right coming from where
we came from and it was a missing part of our company um uh but I remember even even though
the brand had life and we were right this trend this
wave uh not having full connection mhm
what was happening what was happening with our parents and family at this time like
with the team that was in place cuz I remember I was here um with Mom and Dad
was here and Casey was here and we might have even had two other part-time people
at this time yeah you guys were here you were uh making a bunch of bars it was
you you were manufacturing yep um we were doing some some funny style marketing we
decided we want to introduce some of our own humor into into the brand and try
and make something catch so there's a couple videos that were made that were actually pretty funny um there
was behind the scenes and this is a good thing to talk about yeah what was what
was things cuz I remember I remember during this time there was there was a
little bit of an internal struggle with you
know with I really think it was between you know me and
Mom and working with Mom yeah you know I think there was like an internal
struggle there where I felt like I was honestly I now that I'm thinking
about it I felt like oh my gosh like the weight of this company is on my
shoulders like the weight of this thing you know I have Mom and Dad here that
are like following our lead on this and I you know I have to perform so that
they are taking taken care of and um but I remember I do remember there being
like red flags I remember even having some conversations with you where I was
like you know some things there were some things mom said I'm trying to think specifically where I was like this is a
red flag like we don't make decisions like this it actually reminded me of
what we went through with uh our sister and I was like like
if we don't handle this this is going to this is going to sprout yeah and yeah
within the company you have you know a an owner mom
is an owner and she um you know she gets to voice her opinion she gets a vote she
gets to sell new ideas or she gets to um
you know have the opportunity to shoot down ideas if she doesn't like them and some of the ideas that
were uh were getting shot down but not out of um you know smart
business things we saw more we saw more personal um things kind of slipping in
um I remember do you have like a specific I don't have a cuz I'm trying cuz I'm trying to think of like what was a specific thing like I remember a lot
there was like decisions being made out of fear I knew I also you know our
parents were still in this um you know this
uh you know ongoing relational struggle with how do we you know keep
relationships with our grandkids and stars grandkids stars
stars kid yeah yeah Stars kids how do we keep relationships with our grandkids with this thing that happened and we
don't want the grandkids to suffer because of somebody's poor choice and
you know they're they still want to be great grandparents they still want to be yeah they you know and so all this is
happening and the relationship with star isn't a great relationship at all it's
you know to see the grandkids and like so they're in the middle of this and we're building a business and um you
know there were I remember like what I can say that I remember if even though I
don't remember specifics is I just remember there being fear attached to a
lot of um you know mom's thought process yeah I remember saying to you you know
cuz you were coming to be me like hey you know I don't this is really
difficult working with Mom yeah and I said don't worry it's going to be worth it yeah
that's what you told me I remember saying said and I'm and I'm seeing red flags and I'm going how's this going to
be worth it yeah yeah yeah um yeah so and then I remember you know
at church you were um basically like spoken over and
someone was revealing to you your business life and yeah I had a word of a
word of Prophecy there was there was a weight that remember you they were like
see I see a weight that's holding you back yeah and it's a person in your life
yeah and it's like I it's like a ball and chain attached to you and I'm like
this is exactly how I feel yeah I feel like there is a ball and chain like
holding me back from where I need to go yeah and what I
need to accomplish and you know as that was happening I was thinking uh that's Mom yeah well in so that's what's
happening in in business on the business side of things but in the background on the personal side of the family side um
you know some of there was a great desire for Mom and Dad
to see stars kids yeah and to take care of them and to um be great grandpar
great wonderful grandparents and uh you know and feed them biblical things and
uh and they probably thought they weren't getting fed those biblical things from star or Luke MH um so but
there was a great effort to keep that going now here's the thing is that if
you if you see someone's kids you have to make an agreement with um the parent
of those kids Y and what we were practicing was no agreements made
complete separation from uh the wickedness that was going on yes um not
not like I'll never talk to you again type of Separation but if we are to join
we will be talking about this thing first before anything else happens and when this thing uh you know the wrong
that was done against our families is um is handled then we can move on into
the next thing how are your kids what are their names uh you know I'd love to meet them yeah
um we were we drew a line in the sand on that we weren't going to sweep things
under the rug and we're going to uh handle them as we go yeah our parents
had a different um way of thinking about it and Mom and Dad would sweep things
under the rug for the preservation of the grandkids they saw a reason when you
say sweep things under the rug I mean I know Mom tried to reason and reach out
and tried to you know she wrote him you know future letters even after the first
letter she wrote when it was all going down you know she tried to reason with them but to
know success yeah and um but there still
was that agre attached in order to preserve relationship with grandkids yeah I mean
they they you have to submit to the will of the parent when you have the
relationship with the with the child y you know you have to meet them at a certain place you have to have or take
or see the grandchildren for a certain time you have to talk to them about certain things can't talk to them about
everything you can't tell them happen no you can't it's very controlled by the
parent of and in this case it's starh um
which they just willfully did yeah and over and over and over again yeah uh
I I communicated my thoughts to Mom and Dad that seeing the grand kids like this
in this circumstance is um it's not not helping anyone yeah it's not
helping uh it's not helping the grandkids cuz you're lying to them you know you're not
telling them the truth MH it's not helping you because you are um now in
submission to wickedness and it's not helping star because you are uh
submitting to her will and she has this control over youh um
yeah and I think we saw that early on was that grandkids were be being used um
as uh you know a form of manipulation and control and a hook
to gain agreement yeah yeah the most powerful thing mom and dad did is when
they moved to Portland mhm and they they did separate from even from the
grandkids for a certain time and um before they moved to
Portland uh you know seeing the grandkids was it wasn't even okay with
star at some points in fact I remember a time when uh the grandkids were withheld from
the parents because the parents were had you know some type of belief that star
didn't agree with and because they thought a certain way about about something star withheld the
parents or the the grandkids from the parents MH um and that actually went
through the time that they were in Portland mhm and then when they came back from Portland Star had felt that
they that separation from the grand the grandparents and wanted that for her her
babies mhm and reached out and then reconnected now
I no no belief systems changed no nothing happened um but except for the separation in the time actually uh you
know it was a powerful move MH so I communicate this to Mom and Dad and I'm like you
know uh light has no fellowship with Darkness none um that's a Biblical thing
and star is using her her kids as a as bait
basically to control you so that she can have her desired outcome which is a
wonderful family with grandparents that like her and like her kids um and don't
talk about what happened and so I tell Mom and Dad that this is happening and
I'm like you guys are in a abusive relationship yeah you guys are uh you're
being manipulated ated you are being um controlled mhm and you're powerless you
are powerless to help anybody this is the wrong way to do it you know I remember even star um and my mom
mentions it in this letter where star used the kids as control you know so
that they would never get divor if you guys ever get divorced you'll never see us or our kids again Star had said that
to my to the parent even in the [ __ ] and sauce days like way before so she was already kind of setting this control
of her of her life what it looked like um and later
on um you know after after uh time of me like saying
hey this is not right and I kept I kept telling her I kept like reminding her this is not right this is not right you
guys are you guys are blowing it here um one day I got the news that star
had W you had told me that star had willed she had made all this money with
[ __ ] and [ __ ] and sauce had grown really large y she had multiple houses all over the place y um you know and a
fortune now and uh she had willed the children's care to her best friend Anna
and Cousin Anna and Anna's husband mhm and that you had told Mom that or mom
had told you that and it was a and mom was so UPS she was devastated yeah that
that star would choose them mhm and I heard this from you I got on the
phone with Mom right away I'm like Mom like how are you feeling and she put
on she sound no bright and shiny on their side of the phone like Mom I just heard some of the craziest stuff I've
ever heard mhm like what do you think about that she's like oh I'm totally fine with that I'm like
Ryan just got off the phone with you and said you were devastated she said well I can't tell him anything I was like Mom
you're lying to me I'm going to be very blunt with you Mom your head is in a mud puddle and
they are stomping on your head in this mud puddle this is abusive they have you
wrapped around their finger um you at this point will do anything
to preserve to preserve this to be so devastated that they would will to somebody like and not to you is signs
that you are compromised yeah um hang up the phone I got a call from
dad who said don't talk to Mom about seeing the grandkids again H and I
said okay I have nothing more to say I I mean I I win that was it I was
yeah as much as I could say was said in graphic uh imagery mhm I said okay fine
not going to mhm around this time I get a
download of information and this download of
information is that star who uh is
overwhelmed with um fortune and success and uh you know her
company she she has Awards and [ __ ] and SAU is just doing amazing yeah is also
overwhelmed with guilt yeah and she can't sleep at night she doesn't sleep
soundly yeah she puts on a smile and I can see her life and I can see misery
mhm and there's a Tipping Point where you have so much money MH that it's not
worth having all this money and all this guilt mhm and the Tipping Point is going
to come where she's going to start cutting checks to
uh by agreement so that guilt can leave
exactly cuz uh she feels super guilty yep yeah I remember a conversation that
you and I had you were like you're like Watch What Happens you're
like sometime in the near future she's going to start buying people off mhm and I was and big big
money yeah big money start buying people off and I was like that's interesting
um I thought that I I was you know I I you explained it to me and I was like
okay like I can I can see that happening and I was like all right all right well
we'll get ready for this and I know that um you know
there that was a very interesting time I don't want to I want to come back to that point because that's that's an
interesting point that point um is actually uh I think it that came after
uh covid had already started so you know our business at this point
was doing amazing uh Costco Sprouts whole
foods and uh covid hits MH in
2020 and we lost all of it wipes us out it
wiped it all out it was like you know I and I you know there was a lot of in the
food industry there was a lot of products that were that couldn't you couldn't keep them on the Shelf yeah
because people were buying so much stuff um and you know in the food world
there's only one thing that matters as a brand in the food world and it's that
your product makes it through the checkout stand yeah you know being on
the Shelf actually doesn't mean anything it doesn't mean that people are going to find you it doesn't mean that people
even know about you and um so I think you know on top of Co I think we had
some major holes in our marketing um I know we had major holes in our
marketing but uh you know Co hit also I also think the mentality of people like
holding their money close only buying Necessities not really trying anything new you know it really killed everything
killed the brand we lost Sprouts MH we lost Costco the only thing that hung on for
uh you know and it was it was just minimal sales was um Whole Foods in Southern California but that was it and
we had online sales going but that was um you know
another reset moment kick in the gut you
know we lost it all yeah scario I have next to nothing yeah we had next to
nothing we did we were in a we were in a position where we like we've lost it all
so um you know and at this point that's when that kind of kind of threw us into
like I need to how are we going to you know save our company how are we going to save our
company how are we going to save our company we're not giving up yeah we are we already listened to Doug saying don't
quit so we're like we're not giving up what are we going to do to like save our
company and we knew marketing was a problem but you know we're having this internal struggle ourselves of
connecting with the brand to like make marketing that people care about um and
that was a you know that was a crazy time yeah and so uh after that after all that happened
also then you know this download of okay buy offs are going to start coming from
our sister MH um two weeks later M our parents get a message from our sister MH
two weeks after he got the download that this was going to happen yeah they get a
message saying saying that she wants to be she and her husband want to be
generational givers mhm and they and that she wants to buy them a house mhm
um the only stipulation on it was she doesn't want to hash out the Last 5
Years mhm and she wants them to like her yep and I was on a phone call where that
is what that was said that was said yep that was said star wants to buy us a house this is a phone call of Mom and
Dad yep um she's calling it generational
giving on two conditions she doesn't want to hash out
the Last 5 Years and she wants us to like her and on my end I'm thinking yep okay
this is this is it like I already knew this I already knew this was coming and
I I you know warned that this was coming and at the time uh mom and
dad I I think they were also aware that I had that download I said that this was
coming um they were actually doing some of their own personal counseling yeah
with a with a mentor something that they had really um not done that I'd seen um
or was aware of but they were in counseling marriage counseling um you know they were they
were telling their story to someone who's uh an actual like an actual
Christian counselor an actual Christian counselor yeah and um you know they had shared
this information with the Christian counselor yep and the Christian counselor looked into it looked into
star and what was going on and was like don't do it do not take this bait this
is uh the word witchcraft was used yeah um
and you know it's it's a transaction to gain control over you that's basically
what witchcraft is and where uh yeah you
give something to get something and now it is your lord yeah um
so you know they're talking with the counselor and then we're having
discussions about this after they're talking with the counselor and they're saying yeah the counselor's looked into this is this is this is witchcraft yeah
at at this point when this this happened I I even remember dad asking me he's like you know star just offered a house
what do you think about that and I think my first reaction was oh you should take it you know I didn't even have I don't
even think my lines were super strong no at this point yeah
um I didn't they they weren't I mean I
I there was like a side of like like you were taking a much much harder
line biblically and I was more like trying to
keep the peace you know not like I was more like just trying to yeah stay out
of it and be more I I don't even know what You' call it be a weenie but um at
this point you know I didn't really I didn't really know too much of what was going on but
after thinking about it and then after you know Mom and Dad telling us what the
counselor said saying that it was witchcraft that's when I started thinking about it and then I started
realizing like oh they're looking for agreement and it is based in control and
like yeah this is this is a really bad idea yeah like do not touch this yeah
and I think you know this is probably this moment in time when all of this was
happening this was probably one of the larger lifechanging times for me to like
ask myself like what do I stand for and
uh what am I going to do about it cuz in reality I was afraid of uh
you know talking to uh Mom and Dad about these issues I
think we had we had previously had a conversation with them you know together as as a family um this was maybe a few
years before where we presented a concept that like hey if the Bible said
this if the Bible said like do not see the grandkids like would you submit to
it and do it and they said they wouldn't yeah and you know I I thought we were
very clear with our question maybe they didn't understand it or maybe they were just trying to protect the relationship
but they said they wouldn't and at that point I realized like um they cared more
about preserving this thing than actually submitting to God into truth
and I knew that but at the same time it you know I was afraid of dressing things
with dad cuz I thought he would get pissed yeah which typically he would you
know and um you know I was I
was uh I just what I saw I felt this weight that that ball and chain weight I
knew something was building mhm something was building where it was like this thing is going to come to a head at
some point and I felt that yeah and I did not want to you know it was I knew
because I'm looking at the red flags that are happening and the the statements that are being made and it
was uh very familiar yeah and very similar um statements that were made
when we were dealing with star yeah and so it was I knew something was coming and it
was going to be uh difficult yeah you know it was going to be it was going to
get worse before I it was going yeah I I just knew yeah it was going to get worse yeah and um yeah but also personally
like being free from it being free from it cuz I felt that and I'm dealing with
this like this fear of actually dealing with the thing and I'm going like whoa
this is all crazy stuff you know this person you know that they
are you know uh in agreement with
and you this person has not repented this person hasn't changed the wrong is
that happened to us a long time ago is still uh very present daily not that I'm
living wronged it's not and because at this point i' I am free from I am free
from the wrong it's not like I'm living wronged it's just more relationally um this person is still in
Wicked wickedness and um I am not going to have anything to do with that yeah so
yeah um it wasn't like oh my gosh I'm so pissed at her and I'm going to you know it's more so like no we want to see
restoration this person's not coming to the table won't repent so I can't have a relationship with that person
and yeah so anyways it's it's building I feel it yeah they the counselor calls it
it witchcraft they tell us that they agree and and parents are on a phone call saying you know this is you this is
witchcraft we see it we see through this um uh we're not going to take the house
and I was like well are how are you going to do this are you going to you know write a long letter and try and
like reason like like a moment to help star what are you going to do and uh dad
told me that he's just going to say no thank you and I think that's what they said no thank you yeah and that's it um
that was honorable yeah that was uh rejoicing in my house I mean I turned
the music up and I was dancing and praising God that they had
uh gone that route cuz that was a huge Temptation totally um yeah I mean a
massive Temptation for the from the background like our parents you know
move went from job to job have lost everything multiple over with
us they have nothing yeah nothing and so to dangle you know probably a dream of
both of them in front of their face yeah you know yeah uh awesome decision just
great I loved it and I rejoiced um not long after this
we uh mom was talking with the counselor
and had the idea of uh you and I jumping on a phone call and talking about the
grandkid side of it yeah she said she wanted to talk did she say the grandkids I don't know if she said the did she say
that to me yeah to you okay so you knew what it was I I knew we were going to I was like you know I'll go into a phone
call and I'll talk and mom wanted me to understand that the counselor um was on her side about uh
seeing the grandkid seeing the grandkids and preserving the relationship um I was told not to talk about it anymore by Dad
yeah and so I was like well you're surprised about that yeah if if you want to talk about it mom like I mean I know
what the Bible says about this and it's you know you're not going to want to hear what I when what I have to say when
I talk to the counselor but um yeah like I'll sit down with the counselor I have no problem doing that yeah so we jumped
on a call yep I was there you were there counselor counselor and Mom and Dad wasn't there
and you know Mom wanted to basically the counselor to tell me it was okay to see
the grandkids and I was like yeah all right well counselor did you know that uh you know back in the day star used um
the kids as a manipulation tool with Mom she's like uh no I was like yeah so in
the bit kitchen sauce Day star said hey if you uh ever get divorced you will
never see these grandkids ever and she was like what I'm like yeah and that
wasn't the only thing actually that happened there was another instance where star was withholding the grandkids
because of a belief that my parents held and didn't uh you know didn't let them
see the grandkids and it was only after you know they moved away to Portland and came
back that that star decided it was okay um for them to see the grandkids but you
know uh star never changed her mind she never like apologized for not letting
them see the grand kids so I believe that the grandkids are being used as a
uh as a control tool by star mhm
and and she the counselor asked Mom is's like is this true and I was like yeah
she's like hold it hold it hold it yeah you have a connection that you need
to break she's like this all makes sense your email is mother of Smiths and
mother of Smiths is your identity MH and you are trying to preserve this identity
over righteousness and you are being sucked into this trap this is a trap the
grandkids is a trap mhm not just this house mhm the
grandkids is a trap you got to get out yeah that that phone call that
counseling session did not go the way no she thought it was going to go no it
went the exact opposite yeah and basically after she said that you and I bowed out of the phone call cuz she was
going to do some uh direct ministering to Mom yeah and help uh her break these
ties yep um so that she wasn't compromised yep
um I didn't hear from Mom or Dad for a week after that yeah I mean I was here
at the facility I remember coming back cuz I uh didn't get to hear the end of
the conversation but the counselor had heard everything she needed to hear from me and I came back and I was like how
did the how did the rest of the conversation go um and Mom was like oh it was good it was good you know we just
went through some prayers and whatever and you know but she was silent yeah she
was silent everything was silent and um yeah what did we get next
we got a letter from Dad and text oh yeah a text not a it was as long
as a letter but it was a text and it was to all of us it was to you and me and our wives and dad had had a sleepless
night um I think the word angry was
used and uh decided he wanted to pull
everybody um into a meeting and get into the Bible and
uh i' I have that text the details I remember he said some stuff about you
know this counselor is you know double-minded and not
trustworthy with you know the scripture and you know he wanted to jump into the
you know he wanted to jump into the Bible and something didn't when he sent that cuz like typically I mean that's
the right thing to do the right thing to do is like let's let's read the Bible
and see what the Bible says about this yeah but there was an element of that
and a the thing that didn't didn't ring true to me was that you know
the essentially like villainizing the counselor
saying something you don't want to hear yeah the counselor said something they didn't want to hear because she had all
the information now and so saying she's not trustworthy because she said one thing first and then switched and
changed her mind and I remember calling dad and going
like then you know like none of us are trustworthy yeah you're changing your
mind on the counselor like yeah you were just singing the Praises yeah of the counselor talking about oh yeah how it's
witchcraft you know to take the house or whatever and now all of a sudden yeah they're not trustworthy they're not trustworthy that none of that made sense
it was very hypocritical and that was kind of the premise of this sitting down
and getting into the Bible and doing this is is there's an element of this that's just off yeah and not that
getting into the Bible is wrong and not that I'm opposed to getting into the Bible but you know when I when I
approach truth it is I don't care what it says yeah I just care that I submit
to what it says yeah and do what it says and I felt more of like this was being
come at from like we were trying to preserve something we're threatened and now we're trying to preserve something
and it didn't feel good yeah uh no and from my end of it you know I
know what the Bible says about it yeah um I actually you weren't supposed to
talk about it anymore anyway I was not supposed to talk about it and I wasn't going to yeah um I know what it
says I don't need to be taught that it's okay for you to see the grandkids how
about I just say it's okay for you to see the grand kids like go for it like I
know where I sit and I know where you sit go for it you know I and to that
point you know I was done but I you know I wasn't I wasn't uh going
to take any further action I just knew they were going to see the grandkids and that it was a trap yeah like you can do
whatever you want yeah but you don't need to teach me that it's okay I'm going to tell you it's okay already M so
no thank you I don't need to sit down with this my wife doesn't need to sit down with this and and hear this talk um
go for it like yeah whoever you want whoever does like you can sit down with them that's fine but I'm not going to be
next the next thing I hear is that they're taking the
house yeah yeah we've decided we're taking the
house I called to apologize to Star dad says um for not talking to
her um and she apologized for saying the
that you know she wanted to not hash out the last five years you know how what
she said about being liked she apolog oliz for that we had a great
conversation and um you know we decided we're going to we're going to take the
house and that was an incredible moment yep um in
the in personal world like to have the full story of our
family coming from basically poverty uh building up a massive successful
business like [ __ ] and sauce having it um seized or like hijacked or whatever
word you want to use in my opinion stolen MH um taken being thrown
out basically on the streets mhm being building up another company
together having it Crash and Burn building up another company together having it Crash and Burn
and it comes down to like personally our lives are uh yes it's very chaotic but
you just agreed to take money from somebody
who basically caused all of this mhm and I warned
you told you what it was someone else told you what it was you agreed with it you said what it was
and now you're making this decision so on the personal side of things you're like okay this is this is messed yeah I
mean on the business side of wa let me say this on the business side of things Star owns a company that is a
direct competitor at one point to our to our company direct competitor number one
competitor and you just as a shareholder of our new company took a
gift from our direct competitor that you would not
um that you would not uh hash out the last five years I mean forget forget the
whole that you wouldn't do this you took money from our direct competitor mhm and against the will of the rest of
the company yeah fiduciary duty out the window gone mhm
I mean on on top of that like for me I'm I'm going this
person in our opinion stole money from
me and has not repented this scenario is still wrong the money is dirty it is it
is filthy it's dirty it's blood Money stole money from me and is offering to
give it to you mhm a portion of it to you mhm and you know this situation is
not fixed you know this is still dirty money you know that all this exists and
you are taking the money MH you're taking it MH in agre like it's
it's stolen but you're taking it mhm and you're an owner of our current
company now I mean just take the ownership part out you know and all that
but it's like just that alone without like handling it and going hey
mhm this could be a problem you know is this a problem and this needs before we
take anything like the right thing to do to Star would have been this that is a generous off
you need to handle things with your brothers first mhm because there is
still a wrong that's out there that has been unhandled before you think of
giving us anything mhm yeah that's and you and it needs to be made right yeah
that's it there's there let's get this straight there's no problem with star buying our parents a house no I want
start to BU our parents millions of houses yeah I want them to have all the houses in the world yeah it's not the
it's not the ACT I just don't want what it's it's not and it's not even you know it's funny cuz it's not even like
against me personally like when I'm talking about like you're taking money that was stolen from us in a house like
I'm not saying like oh my gosh me personally is affecting being affected by this it is I'm seeing this agreement
with unrighteousness taking place and for their Sak M the road that they're
going down is going to lead to destruction and it I am seeing this for
their sake and I'm going like just for your sake for
righteousness the thing that matters this is a problem this is a major problem I mean like for me it's I am I'm
like independent of it in a sense you know but I'm just looking at it going this is wrong you didn't get offered the
house you didn't get offered anything no no but just seeing the situation I'm
seeing it's wrong what the funny part is is that you know they had the I'm going
to call it audacity to say to us when they notified us God has blessed us with
an answer to prayer I forgot about this text but this
one's God has blessed us with an answer to prayer this is of God we wanted a
house we were praying for a house God gave us a house yep um I'm sorry I
don't believe that uh you know when you told me it was witchcraft I believed
that um nothing changed y nothing changed y you may have got offended that
uh you know it was pointed out to you that seeing the grandkids was also uh a
trap and Witchcraft but you know
you you have to preserve your you have to preserve your identity sure so yep if
you know that witchcraft isn't Witchcraft and this witchcraft isn't Witchcraft and everything's good and
we're going to take it and I'm going to tell you it's of God um no nope not it's
not yeah it's of God and they wanted us to Rejoice with them they wanted us to
come visit them at their house yeah which by the way was a $1.4 million
house uh they uh moved in I think they expected us to help move help them move
into this house I know that when we told them we weren't going to their house ever well that this is a this is a major
so this is like one of the major parts of like the shift
of both of our legacies yes we shifted our family
trajectory forever for the better and cuzz what we realized
was you know if we I I started seeing pictures of compromise from our
past like compromise on truth and then the results of that compromise on truth
and then the results of It kind of built into our family culture even though we called ourselves Christian and not
religious and all these things I started seeing areas where there were
compromises on Truth myself included and then the seeds of that being planted and
then the fruit sprouting and I I remember in my own life you know fruit
sprouting and then having my come to Jesus moment completely transforming and
my whole future changing you know for the better because I submitted myself to
righteousness and so I I saw these in our past all this compromise and I
started realizing all this fruit that's happening right now is from seeds of
compromise where you get you get uh you get like hard-hearted or
calloused over to righteousness so far to the point where you're calling evil
things good and good things evil and you can't even see straight yeah and um I
realized this was this was my moment to to face the things I was afraid of
mhm and not try to self-preserving MH and shift the trajectory of my family
for righteousness and not compromise because I'd been working with Mom and Dad for years here I I wasn't I mean I
was and they were still here every day and they were still here what so this will be
this is going to come in the next segment but we just lost our company again our
sister bought our parents a $1.4 million house that they accepted called it
Godly we're still in business together what do we do from here so this will be
the next part uh this next part is amazing and and uh yeah stay tuned more